In class, we read "11 Things They Don't Teach in High School" as well as "What Lakeshore Technical College Requires from Students." In this blog, I'd like to post your reactions to these materials.
Here are some things to consider for your response:
- Do these pieces seem harsh? Realistic? Unrealistic? In or out of touch with what you expect of college and career life?
- What points do you tend to agree or disagree with? Why?
- With all their talk of high expectations and the responsibilities of college life/adulthood, these pieces seem to imply that there is a cushy world of comfort created for students in the k-12 school system that disappears upon entering college or the workforce. Do you feel that you and/or your peers have been experiencing this type of environment in your own k-12 experience? If so, what might be the positives of this? What might be the negatives? Explain.
- Anything else you'd like to add . . .
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I think that Most of what I read was very realistic. The 11 points were somewhat harsh, but true. I also think that in k-12 students become fond of recieving help and aid in learning. I think that college is a little unfair. Students come out of highschool while they're used to getting help and directions when they need it. Colleges expect students to learn and work on their own which is a drastic change in environment.
-Josh Derus
On the note of "11 Things They Don't Teach in High School" and "What Lakeshore Technical College Requires from Students", I found some of it interesting for how hard they are on students. It is understandable, but here you can redo everything… for the most part. They seem completely realistic but in a sense somewhat harsh, because they just throw us into the world of adults... since High School is easier then the outside world.
I tend to agree on most of the points, because you have new responsibilities that we are teenagers do not have to face just yet. I agree on the making sure you don't pick on the nerds to much, because you really won't know who could be your boss in the future for example.
I do believe that my peers as well as I have had a cushy school life. Its so much easier when you are younger in K-12. They just (as I said before) throw you into the harshness of adult culture in work and collage. Some positives to having a cushy childhood is its not as stressful, and hopefully we will earn things. But some negatives are that we won't have a grasp for what’s going on outside our little life.
Like they said.. Life isn't fair but get over it.
-Anastasia
I would have to agree with all of the points that have been said. The points that Bill Gates made were "harsh" but very realistic. Everything that he pointed out, is something that we will need to learn before we truely grow up. As for LTC, getting "thrown" into the adult life will only make a person mature and grow up faster. I currently take classes at LTC for CNA, and I know personally that they do just kind of "throw" a person in, but it is only for the better. It causes you to have to take things on your own, and may even help you learn more because you need to take all the information in on your own, they don't tell you word for word what you need to know.
As for the cushy life of high school, I would totally agree that it is cushy for some. Some parents and teachers help students through with everything. And then you have the kids who have parents that don't help them with anything, and they are forced to learn a sense of responsability. The advantage to living a "cushy" lifestyle would only be that it is less stressful. The disadvantages that are brought on by this are that you won't be ready for the "adultworld" when you just get "thrown" into it.
Katie Averill
I think that what we read was realistic. Many highschool students don't know what to expect when they graduate. When thrown into the college environment after being guided for the last 12 years, students are overwhelmed. I think the way it is now may be a little unfair. In my opinion a better way would be to not give the juniors and seniors in high school all the help you give younger children. I think this would help the transition.
-Tory Schicker
I think that the 11 points made alot of sense especailly the one that says life isn't fair and to get over it. To me I think that that is the one that people have the hardest time going along with because when life gets difficult or unfair they just quit, they don't try a little harder to succed, they just take the easy route and quite. Your never gonig to be a better person or a better student if you dont relize that life isn't fair, but hey life wouldn't be that much fun if we didn't have to try.
-Taylor Gruenke
I think that we are being protected to much because are constintly being told what to do and how to do stuff when really when we get into college no one is going to do that. The teachers won't care i think that teachers shouldn't care so much now so that we can get a taste of what it's really going to be like when we leave.
Evan Steinhardt
I think that this article is helpful because a lot of it is true. I remember in 8th grade our teachers said that when we got to high school, our teachers would not give us notes and wouldn't care if we passed or failed. But that isn't true, and now our high school teachers are saying the same thing about college.
The point I agree the most with is that life isn't fair. In the real world people will stomp on you so they will succeed. So you better be ready to do the same thing. I believe that there is a cushy world created for students, but not all the way up to 12th grade. We are exposed to a lot more now that we are older and have more experience. I don't think anything positive could come out of living in a cushy world, because it is nothing like real life. If you think it is you are in for a world of change when you are out on your own
Trevor Thiel
I believe that these pieces are just true reality. They may be harsh to some, but this is just the way it is in life. I expect college life/adulthood to be just the way the article “11 Things They Don’t Teach in High School” states. In order to be successful and achieve any aspiration one has, it is necessary to work hard and not complain about it. I agree with all 11 of the rules. They put everything into perspective, as far as life in general after high school and college. They justify the reasons behind why many people succeed in this world. To add to all of this, I feel that the schooling from K-12 has indeed become a world of cushy comfort. The way in which this schooling deals with incompletion of tasks, and such, lacks strictness. This then carries over and affects the young people that come out of these programs. I think if any positive would come out of something like this, it would be a situation where the cushy/forgiving structure would slowly wane off as the schooling progressed through the years. The negatives of the cushy comfort ways are quite evident. They breed kids to think that they can get by with the bare minimum, or just go through the motions to simply go through them.
-Hayden Potts
"What they don't teach you in highschool" was very realistic to me. I think as young adults, juniors and seniors are coddled alot and not given a chance to experience life in a realistic sense. Especially transitioning into college where things are radically different then they are in high school. Being conditioned to seek teachers for answers, and not do as much critical thinking as is necessiary in college I feel gives high school students a big disadvantage.
Veronica Lindsey
I think what we read was realistic. I also think its alot to take in for a high school student. Kids are too guided in k-12 schools which is why many incoming freshman college students get very overwhelmed with everything. Students are so used to always having someone there to help them, but in college they're on their own. So i think that schools should help prepare kids more for college so the transition wont be as overwhelming.
Melanie Bardon
I think that what we read was realistic, but I also think that if we supossedly have a "cushy" life all through elementary, middle and high school, then school should be run differently. I think that high school should be set up more like coellege, it would teach us to be more responsible for our own learning and it would show how much effort we're willing to put into our work. I think that it would teach students to be more concerned about their education instead of just doing meaningless assignments to get a good grade in a class.
Ali Gilhuber
I think that all 11 things they don't teach you in high school are 100 percent true. Yes, the rules are a bit harsh but they tell it how it is and in real life it has to be that why. I believe that high school students have been satisfied with settleing down and letting things happen or letting things come to them, rather than making things happen for themselves. Self reliance is a huge step in college, while in high school you have your mom and dad making the meals doing laundry and washing the dishes, well whose going to do that when you move out, YOU. I aslo believe that education from K-12 has become very cushing. If you have a late assignment you might lose 10 percent of your grade. well if you have a job and your boss says he needs something done by tomorrow and you go home and watch TV and don't do what you needed, your boss isn't going to give you another chance. Your getting kicked out the door.
-Brad Hanson
I think that the 11 things is completely realistic, but harsh. K-12 teachers are way to easy on us and make us completely dependable on them. I think that if teachers were less easy and gave us more of a responsibility more students would be more successful in the future. I agree with all of the points made because life is harsh and there isn't anyone to hold your hand through it. We need to become more responsible to handle situations. Some teachers may think they are helping us, but in reality they are holding us back. We are going to just have to jump into the life and get used to it.
i think that what we read was realistic. the reason that i think that is because i think that going from high school mite not be as easy as soom people think that it mite be. the reason that i think that is because while ur in highschool u get all the help you want pretty much and when u get to collage,the proffessors dont care if you pass or fail ther class cuz they get paid no matter what.the difference between highschool and collage is...in highschool the teachers are on u 24/7 about getting ur homework done and turned in. but in college they dont come up to you and say ''u need to get this turned in''.
alex wachowiak
I think the pieces that we read in class are very realistic, obviously nothing is going to be handed to you in life and the eleven things they tell you in this back that up. I agree with all of the points that are made because they're all true. I don't think that high school fully prepares you for what you have to expect in college because they load more work on you and you have less time to do this work, but in high school you'll have over a week to learn one chapter. This is going to be a negative effect on people because they won't know how to handle college because of how different it is from high school.
-Alex Darr
I think these pieces seem very realistic. When we read about what LTC requires from their college students, I wasn’t surprised. I do expect harder classes and a far bigger reading load. I also expect a lot of studying hours to be put in but I’m so not looking forward to it. I agree with it’s the student’s responsibility for their own learning, and they get out of the class what effort they put in. I do agree with how these pieces indirectly imply that K-12 schooling is a cushy world for students. I think that the first year of college is going to be ruff for kids who like the cushy world.
I agree with the 11 things we aren’t taught in high school because they’re realistic. They are basic rules everyone should know or at least be aware of.
--Stephanie Frank
I don't think that these pieces are to harsh, but realistic. High school is sheltered compared to the real world. In school students can slip around turning assignments in on time or not being prepared. However in a real world job it's not acceptable for this kind of behavior and they can come with consequences. I wasn't surprised by the points made because I realize that there won't be anyone in college holding your hand and making sure that you do your work or go to classes. They do this to prepare you for the real world. I think high schools could do a better job of transitioning their juniors and seniors for college by letting students work on their own more.
I believe that even though we are not taught these things in school, some people still have a little common sense. As Melanie, and other people, have said; we have had teachers and other adults there holding our hands through everything. We dont know how to act on our own.
~Shanna Niedfeldt
I think that the passages were correct, in that dont burn your bridges. If you do something to someone they could end up being your boss in the end and tyhen they will make your job miserable. when you get to the college level, you get less help. You have yto figure out pretty much everyhting that you are working on.
Sloan Pfeifer
From the material I have read, I beleive all the points that were made are realistic. It was stated in the article that they can't graduate a student who "tried" or who was "there". You have to work hard and have a good work ethic in order to succeed. I agree with all the statements listed in the reading. K-12 students are provided with aid and constant reminders. It is no surprise that when students enter the college level they are overwhelmed and overly stressed because of the cusion they recieved in their early years of learning.
Brianna Diestler
I think that from the piece that we read it was very realistic and it was in touch with what I expect from college and the real world. I dont feel like there is a cushy world of comfort for student k-12. Its only like that for your first couple years of school and then things start getting real.
Jeff Roth
it was no suprise to me ive been told this my whole life it didnt hit me in any way that came across as insensitive its true that in the real world that nothing is held out to you on a silver platter. its usualy served cold with a side of sarcasim.
joshua cortinaz
These readings weren't the least bit harsh to me. After reading the 11 points I just thought "Hey man, I know that already." I've been working and figuring out college for the last year and I know what I'm up against. I think that the primary reason for these articles is to teach us. If you remember the old School House Rock motto, Knowledge is power! With this type of information, we can be better prepared for life outside of a structured schedule. This way we can't say "hey! No one told me this stuff!"
Cameron Gruenke
I think that the things that they dont teach you in high school are realistic. i dont think that they should sugar coat college then you wont know how important it is. i think that the point that says to be nice to nerds you will probably end up working for one is really funny and true.
I think it is realy realistic of what the real world. It is not going to be easy with the collage and what they expect of you and then the working life. The schooling system could be harder to make you ready for the real life that you are going to incounter in the future. In school they do not teach you everything you need to know. They do teach you most of it though. Most of the stuff you learn your self be experiancing it. Life is not easy and no one told you it was.
"11 Things They Don't Teach in High School," is very realistic. I don't thing there is anything harsh about it. It states true things, insight, and some down right funny things that are also true. I think they do prepare you but they prepare you in a different way they should. I mean we learn how to become more responsible with getting homework in on time. They don't prepare you for the hardship of it, and that's okay. You have to learn for yourself I think. You can't just wait for things to happen for you. You need to get out there and do it. My mom teaches us to get things done by ourselfs. If we need a little push she'll help us.
-Madaline Slocum
I think that all the points were very realistic and true. When going to college, for example LTC, they don't hold your hand and tell you what you need to take notes on or remind you that you have to do something. You're expected to grow up and be able to be responsible for yourself and realize that you need to step up and do things on your own instead of having to be told several times that you have to get something done.
The rules according to Bill Gates was harsh but it's the truth and the truth hurts. Most of these rules we've heard before if it wasn't from our parents it was from friends or some teachers and they are just telling us what we need to hear.
Brittany Kassens
This article made college seem to difficult to get in to. But if you think about high school should teach you most of it. But high school can't teach you everything. One thing that high school doesn't teach you is how to manage your time. In college you will have 3 hour class but then the student will have a 1 hour break from school. So the student has a choice of what they want to do. But still will have to manage their time really well. I don't think the points are that harsh it is just very real. College know what they want and also know what they don't want. A big difference in College and k-12 is that k-12 is all about the teachers doing everything for the student for him or she to pass with the best possible chance. But in college the professor could care less onif you pass or not because the teacher still gets paid so either way the professor doesn't care as much as they do in high school. The switch from high school to college is a huge and drastic change in a student lifestyle.
Sam Harvey
i think it was realistic because from what i hear, thats how it is when you get out of high school. kids k-12 have it very easy because we can easily get help. college students tend to have to fend for themselves.
Kim Laack
I think what we read in class about expectations colleges have in their students was pretty legit. A lot of young people just think that they can go through high school and do whatever because it isnt going to have anything to do with college, but really it has everything to do with college. When you are going onto school after high school the colleges look at your high school record and base a lot off of that. It is very realistic. When you read the 11 points you think wow, this is harsh, but it is reality. They are just preparing you for your future and what you need to be ready for when you are out in the world on your own.
-Kayle Rusch
I think we are being a little bit sheltered to what the real world is because there aren't that many harsh realitites in high school. It's like you get out and it seems like a big slap of college in the face. Suddenly you have to save money and pay for college, the homeworks not nearly as easy before, its like a whole new world. But yeah it suck that high school curriculum keeps you in such a bubble, they need to break out of that.
-Brittney Johnston-
I think kids always rely on the teachers for support which is a good thing. When your in highschool you still get some help with stuff. College is a new thing because you have no help and lots of homework and harder work which can i bet make you really stressed.I do agree that college is unfair. Its going to be so much harder being thrown out into just taking care of yourself and doing things on your own.
-Lauren Robinson
What was said in those 11 points was very true. What many people need to point out to teens these days is that life is not and never will be easy. You have to work your way through tough situations. You may hate high school now but when you are out in the real world you will miss high school like no other. I have talked to many people, some being out of high school for many years and some who just graduated, they all said they missed their high school years.
--Tia Prideaux
I think that what i read was very realistic, but hash. I thought that the" 11 things they don't teach in high school" was a little harsh, but it had some humor in it. I think that high school is cushy. some parents help their kids with everything, and then when they get into college they won't be used to doing things without them. Some teacher in high school are like that too. I think that there should be some kind of transition in high school so the seniors get to see what college is going to be like, and not just getting thrown out into the real world.
kari
I think that most of those points were very realistic, but somewhat harsh. Students k - 12 get help in learning. College kids tend to be on their own, their professors dont care if they succeed or do their work. High school kids are given aid in learning.
--Brittany Daigle
"What they don't teach you in high school" these eleven points that they say are harsh but true. In our 12 years of schooling, we're just guided threw, we hardly know how to handle things on our own. Sure college has dates set but in highschool, you can hand things in a little late. Just like the yearbook class held here, you can not hand things late in college. It won't be counted and than you won't do good. You get kind of thrown into the real world in college and not many high school grads actually expect it to be that way.
-Gabbi Kuhnly
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